Discussion with an atheist and an agnostic

Last week I had an interesting dialogue with a friend who claims to be an atheist and her son who felt the term agnostic was better, because you really can’t prove beyond doubt whether there is or is not a God; ultimately you believe or don’t believe. I thought the latter argument had more rationality to it, though I must admit to some feelings of emptiness at its implications.

To defend my faith without feistiness (my computer thinks that is not a word, but you know), I thought it best to observe the frailty of our reasoning power. I’ve always been amazed when I hear a good debater utterly convince me of their thesis, yet have the same reaction to the adversary’s counter argument! (I won’t mention the profession that is so good at that). There was a look when I said I didn’t have much FAITH in reason.

Anyway, this occasion set me to thinking, always a dubious exercise. Anyway, here goes. We know what we know from our observations, including  physical things, or mathematical models/ scientific abstractions from the observed and such. When we dwell on matters such as the magnitude of the universe, the Big Bang Theory (sounds like creation?), or eternity, our minds kind of warp, don’t they? They don’t seem real; we can’t quite get our minds around them. Why? Well, they are beyond our observed reality. We can’t “imagine” them.

I think the concept of eternity is the most mind-boggling. But either there is or is not eternity. Since everything we can observe changes, has a beginning, a middle and an end,the first reaction is there is no eternity. Then you say, well, if that’s so, how’d it start? Can something come from nothing?  Doesn’t sound possible. So that leads to the conclusion that there has to be something that didn’t start, hence always was, an eternal being. Behold Aristotle’s “First Mover” argument as proof of a one and eternal God! Comforting, no?

Yeah, I know, you can poke holes in any argument as mentioned above, but the “First Mover” concept seems a winner to me. Nonetheless, it may well be better to have faith in your FAITH, than faith in your reason!

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Everything we observe has a beginning, a middle, and an end (maybe not taxes). If that’s reality, how’d it start from nothing? So that sounds like, to our minds, since something can’t come from nothing, there must have been something–and not things we can imagine, for everything we know changes, and eternity doesn’t. Behold Aristotle’s proof of the one eternal God, who he called the “First Mover”!

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